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The Strategic Pivot: Navigating HR Layoffs, Brand Perception, and the AI Frontier
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In this episode of the Future Proof HR podcast, Thomas Kunjappu, CEO of Cleary, sits down with Chelly Conley, Director of Global HR and Inclusion at KnowBe4, to discuss the raw reality of the HR industry in 2026. From navigating the toughest job market in over a decade to surviving the "Wild West" of AI adoption, Chelly shares a no-sugarcoat guide to staying resilient and relevant.
Chelly opens up about the "visceral" state of the current HR labor market, where experienced professionals are facing year-long unemployment cycles. The conversation dives deep into HR’s ongoing identity crisis, explaining why rebranding to "People and Culture" fails if the team is still viewed as the "food and fun" department rather than a strategic business partner.
The two also explore the bizarre and high-stakes side of AI in talent acquisition. Chelly shares cautionary tales of "AI Brandon" bot interviews and deepfake candidates, while offering a practical framework for where HR should automate (administrative weeds) and where they must remain human (employment law and empathy).
The episode closes with a masterclass on the J-Curve of change management. Chelly explains how HR leaders can future-proof their teams by "de-centering" themselves to lead employees through the chaos of transformation, ensuring that the eventual gains in productivity are worth the initial dip.
Topics Discussed:
The 2026 HR Job Market: Why it’s the toughest environment in 13 years
Navigating "Advice Fatigue" and the emotional toll of long-term unemployment
The HR Branding Trap: Moving beyond "party planning" to strategic business alignment
Why "doing more with less" requires choosing which hills to die on
The "Wild West" of AI: Dealing with AI interview bots and deepfake candidates
The Legal Guardrails: Why you should never use AI for employment law (ADA, FMLA, etc.)
Finding the "Middle Steps": Identifying the right HR tasks for automation
The J-Curve of Change Management: Understanding the dip before the breakthrough
"De-centering" as a leadership tool to build psychological safety during transitions
Future-proofing through adaptability and a growth mindset
If you are an HR leader feeling the weight of burnout, navigating a lean team, or trying to find the balance between human empathy and AI efficiency, this episode offers the grounded, "real-talk" perspective needed to pivot toward a more strategic future.
Additional Resources:
About this episode
Transcript
About this episode
In this episode of the Future Proof HR podcast, Thomas Kunjappu, CEO of Cleary, sits down with Chelly Conley, Director of Global HR and Inclusion at KnowBe4, to discuss the raw reality of the HR industry in 2026. From navigating the toughest job market in over a decade to surviving the "Wild West" of AI adoption, Chelly shares a no-sugarcoat guide to staying resilient and relevant.
Chelly opens up about the "visceral" state of the current HR labor market, where experienced professionals are facing year-long unemployment cycles. The conversation dives deep into HR’s ongoing identity crisis, explaining why rebranding to "People and Culture" fails if the team is still viewed as the "food and fun" department rather than a strategic business partner.
The two also explore the bizarre and high-stakes side of AI in talent acquisition. Chelly shares cautionary tales of "AI Brandon" bot interviews and deepfake candidates, while offering a practical framework for where HR should automate (administrative weeds) and where they must remain human (employment law and empathy).
The episode closes with a masterclass on the J-Curve of change management. Chelly explains how HR leaders can future-proof their teams by "de-centering" themselves to lead employees through the chaos of transformation, ensuring that the eventual gains in productivity are worth the initial dip.
Topics Discussed:
The 2026 HR Job Market: Why it’s the toughest environment in 13 years
Navigating "Advice Fatigue" and the emotional toll of long-term unemployment
The HR Branding Trap: Moving beyond "party planning" to strategic business alignment
Why "doing more with less" requires choosing which hills to die on
The "Wild West" of AI: Dealing with AI interview bots and deepfake candidates
The Legal Guardrails: Why you should never use AI for employment law (ADA, FMLA, etc.)
Finding the "Middle Steps": Identifying the right HR tasks for automation
The J-Curve of Change Management: Understanding the dip before the breakthrough
"De-centering" as a leadership tool to build psychological safety during transitions
Future-proofing through adaptability and a growth mindset
If you are an HR leader feeling the weight of burnout, navigating a lean team, or trying to find the balance between human empathy and AI efficiency, this episode offers the grounded, "real-talk" perspective needed to pivot toward a more strategic future.
Additional Resources:
About this episode
Transcript
About this episode
In this episode of the Future Proof HR podcast, Thomas Kunjappu, CEO of Cleary, sits down with Chelly Conley, Director of Global HR and Inclusion at KnowBe4, to discuss the raw reality of the HR industry in 2026. From navigating the toughest job market in over a decade to surviving the "Wild West" of AI adoption, Chelly shares a no-sugarcoat guide to staying resilient and relevant.
Chelly opens up about the "visceral" state of the current HR labor market, where experienced professionals are facing year-long unemployment cycles. The conversation dives deep into HR’s ongoing identity crisis, explaining why rebranding to "People and Culture" fails if the team is still viewed as the "food and fun" department rather than a strategic business partner.
The two also explore the bizarre and high-stakes side of AI in talent acquisition. Chelly shares cautionary tales of "AI Brandon" bot interviews and deepfake candidates, while offering a practical framework for where HR should automate (administrative weeds) and where they must remain human (employment law and empathy).
The episode closes with a masterclass on the J-Curve of change management. Chelly explains how HR leaders can future-proof their teams by "de-centering" themselves to lead employees through the chaos of transformation, ensuring that the eventual gains in productivity are worth the initial dip.
Topics Discussed:
The 2026 HR Job Market: Why it’s the toughest environment in 13 years
Navigating "Advice Fatigue" and the emotional toll of long-term unemployment
The HR Branding Trap: Moving beyond "party planning" to strategic business alignment
Why "doing more with less" requires choosing which hills to die on
The "Wild West" of AI: Dealing with AI interview bots and deepfake candidates
The Legal Guardrails: Why you should never use AI for employment law (ADA, FMLA, etc.)
Finding the "Middle Steps": Identifying the right HR tasks for automation
The J-Curve of Change Management: Understanding the dip before the breakthrough
"De-centering" as a leadership tool to build psychological safety during transitions
Future-proofing through adaptability and a growth mindset
If you are an HR leader feeling the weight of burnout, navigating a lean team, or trying to find the balance between human empathy and AI efficiency, this episode offers the grounded, "real-talk" perspective needed to pivot toward a more strategic future.
Additional Resources:
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Chelly Conley
Chelly Conley is the Director of HR & Inclusion at KnowBe4, bringing over a decade of experience in leadership development, employee engagement, and inclusive workplace practices. A dedicated community leader, she serves on the board of directors for HR Tampa & Madi’s Movement.
Chelly has been recognized as one of Tampa Bay Business Journal’s Top 40 Under 40, Business Insider’s Top 40 Under 40, and Tampa’s Top 50 Women Leaders of 2025 by Women We Admire. She is committed to creating environments where people feel valued, heard, and supported to reach their full potential. A sought-after speaker and thought leader, she is passionate about helping others to lead with confidence, authenticity, and impact. She currently holds her SPHR, SHRM-SCP, and MBA from Saint Leo University.
Chelly Conley is the Director of HR & Inclusion at KnowBe4, bringing over a decade of experience in leadership development, employee engagement, and inclusive workplace practices. A dedicated community leader, she serves on the board of directors for HR Tampa & Madi’s Movement.
Chelly has been recognized as one of Tampa Bay Business Journal’s Top 40 Under 40, Business Insider’s Top 40 Under 40, and Tampa’s Top 50 Women Leaders of 2025 by Women We Admire. She is committed to creating environments where people feel valued, heard, and supported to reach their full potential. A sought-after speaker and thought leader, she is passionate about helping others to lead with confidence, authenticity, and impact. She currently holds her SPHR, SHRM-SCP, and MBA from Saint Leo University.
Chelly Conley is the Director of HR & Inclusion at KnowBe4, bringing over a decade of experience in leadership development, employee engagement, and inclusive workplace practices. A dedicated community leader, she serves on the board of directors for HR Tampa & Madi’s Movement.
Chelly has been recognized as one of Tampa Bay Business Journal’s Top 40 Under 40, Business Insider’s Top 40 Under 40, and Tampa’s Top 50 Women Leaders of 2025 by Women We Admire. She is committed to creating environments where people feel valued, heard, and supported to reach their full potential. A sought-after speaker and thought leader, she is passionate about helping others to lead with confidence, authenticity, and impact. She currently holds her SPHR, SHRM-SCP, and MBA from Saint Leo University.
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If you’ve led change, navigated challenges, or learned valuable lessons in people operations, we’d love to hear your perspective.
Apply below to be considered as a guest on the show.
The future of HR is being shaped by real operators doing the work.
If you’ve led change, navigated challenges, or learned valuable lessons in people operations, we’d love to hear your perspective.
Apply below to be considered as a guest on the show.