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The Plus-Shaped Leader: Leading at the Intersection of Law, Business, and HR
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About this episode
In this episode of the Future Proof HR podcast, Thomas Kunjappu, CEO of Cleary, sits down with Fernando Garcia, Vice President of Corporate Services at Cargojet, to unpack what HR leaders are getting wrong about AI, and what they should be doing instead.
Fernando brings a rare blend of experience across HR, legal, compliance, and business strategy, and he makes a clear case for why AI will not replace HR, but it will reshape the job. The work that remains, he argues, is the work that matters most: human judgment, context, experience, and the ability to make value-based decisions when the answer is not obvious.
Together, they explore the practical reality of “shadow AI” already happening inside organizations, why guardrails matter more than hype, and how HR can work with legal as an early strategic partner rather than an emergency hotline once something has already escalated. The conversation also goes deep on the ethical tension of AI-driven hiring and fairness, including how bias can show up on both sides, whether decisions are made by people or machines, and why the “trolley problem” isn’t just a thought experiment anymore.
This episode is for HR leaders who want to adopt AI responsibly, without parking their judgment at the door, and who want to future-proof their work by leaning harder into the human side of leadership.
Topics Discussed:
AI will change HR jobs, not eliminate them
Why HR’s value is judgment, context, and the human element
The “three-legged stool” of business, legal, and people leadership
How HR and legal can partner early to prevent risk, not just react to it
The reality of “shadow AI” and why assuming no one uses AI is the biggest risk
Practical guardrails: data privacy, PII, sensitive employee info, and due diligence
Where AI helps today: drafting, surveys, training design, and early recruiting support
The ethics of AI in recruiting, fairness, and bias on both sides of the argument
Why culture, training, and peer learning matter more than expensive enablement programs
Skills that will matter most for future-proof HR: curiosity, EQ, relationship-building, and broad capability
If you’re an HR leader trying to balance innovation with compliance, curious about AI’s real use cases beyond automation, or navigating how to adopt these tools without losing the human element, this episode offers a grounded and thoughtful framework.
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